November 21, 2003

When Bouncers Attack

I talked to a police department to ask advice about what one should do if assaulted and battered by a bouncer outside of a bar or club. Here are some things I've learned from my experience (these things are my opinions, and if you think they are legal advice you are a jackass). These apply if you are a victim. If you started a fight you are going to get what you deserve, and have limited legal recourse.

Whatever you do, do not lose your head. This is extremely important. You can let the anger burn at a medium boil, but let it fuel your determination and use it as a gift--do not let it control you. Taunts will not hurt you. People laughing at you will not hurt you.

Protect yourself and get away but do not fuel the flames. The bouncers might all attack at once so get away.

Many times your attackers will want to act like a mob and are waiting for the spark that goads them to come after you again. Don't give them this spark. Remind them of the legal repercussions, your innocence, and the liability of the club if you think you can walk away; otherwise, run and get somewhere safe with a crowd of people. You need witnesses and they need to see you as the victim and not the aggressor.

Call the police immediately. They will not arrest the person(s) unless they see the incident as it occurs, but they will get all of your and the aggressors' information and fill out the equivalent of an accident report. You will get your day in court, but it might (probably?) be your word against your attackers' word.

Assault and battery are both criminal and civil laws. You can always pursue a civil lawsuit against the person(s) and the bar or club if they are employees. Remember the business is the place where all of the money is; don't expect to get much money out of the bouncers if you win. They are freaking bouncers--do not expect them to have a lot of money.

Stay tuned for the actual story. In the meantime don't go to the club Vertigo on 126 State State Street, Boston, MA. They don't keep a very good leash on their attack dogs, i mean bouncers.

Posted by darkarmani at November 21, 2003 02:31 PM
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Is it possible to hold the club legally, and therefor monitarily, responsible for their atta...bouncers?

Posted by: Fifi at November 21, 2003 03:13 PM

Last night my brother and husband were brutally attacked by bouncers. There were 9 of them on 2, and all of them armed with police style nigt sticks. My brother came out with 15 stables in his head, he had to get a scan of his head, and multiple stitches on his face. It is one thing to break up a fight or calm a dispute. It is another thing to totally beat the crap out of someone. My husband has welts and bruises from trying to protect his brother-in-law. My mother and I both threw ourselves on top up them after they were beaten unconscience, and we were even hit with the night sticks. Even through all this they kicked my brother in the head, when he was lying lifeless on the ground, with my mother and I covering him. THIS HAS GOT TO STOP!!!!!!

Posted by: malia at November 23, 2003 10:52 PM

I'm sorry to hear that, malia. I hope you are all ok. Did you all go to the police? You should at least talk to a lawyer about suing the bar and the bouncers involved.

Posted by: darkarmani at November 24, 2003 09:37 AM

That last story sounds horific, I hope legal action is being taken. 3 nights ago, two of my friends were attacked by a bouncer. The bouncer became offended at the comments of one of my friends when he challenged his reasons for throwing out another friend whom they thought was intoxicated (we're still not sure why the bouncer chose to single him out as he wasnt actually intoxicated, perhaps he stumbled on the stairway or something to that effect). I was actually still inside the club when it happened but as far as I know this bouncer became so infuriated with my friends comments that when he wasnt looking he knocked him to the ground then grabbed the other by the neck to the point where he was struggling to breath and threw him into a bin. Both of them sustained minor injuries to they're jaw and ribs respectively. I came up in a huff when I found out what had happened only to be greeted with some very nasty glares. I immediately threw my hands in the air to signify that I had no intent of causing trouble. I then began speaking to a manager who was outside at the time and was the only one there willing to talk in a civil manner. As I was speaking with the manager a couple of the other bouncers started talking to me in a threatening manner. If it wasnt for this manager i wouldnt be surprised if they had attacked me also. In the meantime my friends had called the police and they soon arrived. But it was evident from when they began talking to us that we had little chance of getting anywhere. I could see by they're attitude that we had already been branded as 'at fault'. The officer spent a total of half a minute talking to us while talking with the security staff for at least 5 minutes. He then just dismissed us without any further discussion, he didnt check to see if my friends were badly injured, they're was no accident report or otherwise filled out, and he gave us no further options, just told us to go. I wasnt even the one that was hit yet I now no longer feel safe when entering clubs and dealing with bouncers. Whats worse is that the authorities seemed to offer no protective value. Some of these bouncers are nothing more than charged up bullies looking for a fight.

This happend in Sydney Australia, at a club named Tank Bar. And by the way Tank Bar is directly linked with a place named the Establishment located above. It just so happens that on a previuos occation my sister was groped by a security guard at the Establishment after they refused us entry.

Posted by: Rafael at December 28, 2003 10:20 PM

Its amazing to read all the bad experiences that some of you have gone though. As a Floor man having never experiences being in that kind of situation myself, I can only but imagine what it must feel like. In all the time I have worked as a floor man I have never seen an act of violence on the behalf of the security team that I work with, exceed that received by the patron/s being ejected from the premises. I would like to add that not all “bouncers” are un-educated neanderthalic bullies indulging in needless violence. Obviously I completely agree with the above being un-necessary and clearly out of order. Also going against the true meaning of security.

From a “bouncers” general point of view. What some times maybe very unclear to an intoxicated patron being asked to leave from the premised and escorted forcefully if necessary, may be as clear a day to a sober member of security. Remembering that members of security are primarily working to enforce the safety of the other patron on the premises and the club respectively. The security team that I work with are all good people. Who un-disputidly have people’s best interest at heart; we do however receive an immense amount of abuse. Mainly from people whom have been ejected from the premises for good reason.

Not all bounces are bad so don’t write us all off

Posted by: No thanks at February 11, 2004 02:16 PM

Dont write you all off?, no thanks, no thanks, the fact to be working as a bouncer in the first place is a power trip, i was attaked by six bouncers outside a club, they formed acircle and started kicking me while a huge crowd of people watched, I could hear people yelling run!, but it was a bit hard, afterwards they dragged me off into the bushes ( i had the bruises on my upper arms to prove it) I was hospitalised, as you can imagine.The verdict?, no witnesses, so no charges, no case, nada, zip.I now have trouble walking past bouncers into a nightclub.
Stay away from the Burvale hOTEL - Melbourne australia

Posted by: brett at March 26, 2004 05:18 AM

You can't say that all bouncers are on a power

trip. You have simply come across some bad one

and now you are tarring all bouncers with the

same brush.

Posted by: No thanks at June 12, 2004 11:22 AM

Do not go to the club ELEMENT in Austin, Texas on fourth street. My boyfriend was attacked by a bouncer on a power trip and he was thrown down a flight of steps and landed on his back on concrete. This has to stop and bouncers should not be allowed to identify themselves as POLICE if they do not have a badge number or proffesional training. As in this case two of the bouncers were wearing t-shirts that said POLICE on the back and niether of them were police officers. We have started a case both civil and criminal but have heard nothing yet.... It's an unsafe place to be and anything can set these guys off. It truly takes the fun out of the night life experience in fun-loving Austin.

Posted by: Emily Noble at December 28, 2004 11:16 PM

BEWARE of the steroid, power tripping, minimum wage bouncers in Hollywood, CA. Two years ago, I was beat by a few of them that resused to give me their names. I was at the club with my husband and they did not notify him and I couldnt go in to tell him that I was a victim of infliction. I am a petite woman that weights 105. Those Mother Fu*kers are defenitely power trippers. Since them, I have not been to a club in Hollywood. I had a couple of witnesses and won a case of a few grands. I was pretty stocked when I got my check last week. So any one out there, if you get fucked up by these bulky SOB's make sure and keep your cool and have witnesses. Believe me, it will "pay" off at the end. Revenge is sweet.

Posted by: Emily Whittaker at January 3, 2005 02:12 AM

I work as a minimum wage bouncer to pay my way through school. Mostly because it is a night job and i go to school in the day. I also work as a janitor so I have explored other options of employment. I have worked for a few years and in that time i have worked with many a-holes but I have also worked with many good people. I think that the good ones out number the bad by far. As a result of my job i have been harrassed on the streets punched multiple times for no reason and followed home. Often these are from people I have never even talked to before. I have never once punched a person in a bar throwing them out. What bothers me is that if you go into a bar thinking all bouncers are a-holes if the opportunity presents itself a confrontation with a bouncer may go sour as a result of your attitude. If you hate all bouncers you may appear aggressive when talking to them. If they ask you to leave just leave and even the aholes will leave you alone. I have been thrown out of bars before as well and as long as I respect their wishes they dont get violent. Technically if you dont leave when they ask you are trespassing. Just remember bouncers are human too, and as humans there are good and bad ones.

Posted by: Dave at January 29, 2005 07:22 PM

In 2001 we ran into an experianced bouncers misconduct, we usually every wedensday patronized a local hotel night club, on this perticular wedensday there were way too many minors in the place. around closeing time the police were there due to someone spraying tear gas out on the dance floor, we did not pay much attention because it was closeing time and me and my two friends were leaving the club,as we were exiting a young boy ran by us while being chased by 3 or 4 of the bouncers,we proceded to our car and exited the property, approx 2 blocks away from the club the young boy who looked to be no older than 17 ran in front of us across the road, and right behind him were the bouncers chaseing him,the boy looked very frightened, and we becamed concerned for his safty, also we have a business and we are aware that security has no right off the premises to be chaseing him. me and my friends decided to intervene and pick the boy up and take him home to his parents, especially because we were very concerned for his safty and he was visibly intoxicated, so we drove another block and stopped our car a few feet in front of the boy who was being chased, thankfully he got in the car, and the first thing we asked him was why they were chaseing him, he replyed he was underage drinking,the bouncers approached him at the end of the night after he was intoxicated for id, he got scared and ran,we had to turn around and come back out the road we picked the boy up on.
and we turned around and proceded back to exit the road we suddenly noticed the bouncers just standing by the side of the road, it was very dark and as we were passing i looked out my passenger window and noticed one of the bouncers stepping towards us as we were passing he raised his arm and threw something at our vehicle and all the glass on the passenger window came flying in at us, the boy in the back thiught they were shooting at us, there is a little more to this but what i have written has pointed out there misconduct, i was injured pretty much because of ths ordeal, but i will never regret the decision we made to help the boy, because of what they did to us just imagine what they could have done to him.

Posted by: peggy at June 30, 2005 11:05 PM

anyone going through a legal matter involving bouncer misconduct please contact me, i am not a lawyer,, just someone who was victimised by bouncers also.

Posted by: peggy at June 30, 2005 11:11 PM

Last night, August 6th I was brutally beaten by two bouncers. I was asked to leave the bar so I was trying to tell the people I went there with that I had to go. Before I know it I was outside on the ground being held down by one bouncer and getting kicked in the head by the other. The cops ran up and basically saved me. The Srgt. on duty called and ambulance for me and I was hospitalized for the night. I have a concussion, cuts all over my face and arms, and a bruised leg. Thank god the officer was around or it could have gotten alot worse. He was a really nice officer and followed up with me the next day to see how I was doing. He told me that he was going to file more charges on the two bouncers.

Posted by: Paul at August 7, 2005 04:23 AM
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